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Bernard Haisch is very well known in the "novel" physics community. My impression is that he is a fairly level-headed researcher. It is very interesting that both Jovian and BLP are essentially the same process, but are based on radically different theories.
Here is a paper that Bernard Haisch co-authored in 2006 that proposes several experiments to verify if quantum vacuum fluctuations can, indeed, be utilized to generate useful energy.
http://www.earthtech.org/publications/davis_STA...
Here is a presentation based on the above paper.
http://www.earthtech.org/reports/Davis_STAIF_Re...
It appears that they are finally doing some of these experiments.
There are just so many things that fall short of reality. First is that the electrons in a free floating atom or molecule that might 'feel' the effect of the cavity walls, and thus become constrained would exhibit orbital behavior analogous to an ice skater pulling up her arms and crossing legs for one of those fantastic spins - energy is conserved, as is radial inertia / momentum. The so deformed eigenstates for the orbitals of the atoms would not eject either phonons nor photons for having been so deformed.
The argument that through molecular covalent bonding, one might be able to capture the energy ... is not correct either - the constrained hybrid orbital states of the molecular bond would not emit a phonon/photon, nor would the resulting molecules be any higher (or lower) in net energy.
I too will be inordinately excited when a few dozen micro-channels in esquisite testing conditions can be shown to produce a few microwatts per second of heated gas. I fear it will be difficult to measure, if it exists at all.
There is nothing like the proof in the pudding.
I do note that the cold fusion stuff, BLP process, and this thing seem to be the same process, but with different theories.
If you've noted in prior posts, the selling of "energy snakeoil" is one of
my triggers. I honestly think that the researchers in most cases are
genuine, are convinced they are on to something, and have developed rather
sophisticated theories to explain experimental anomalies, projecting the
results to larger experiments ... which as science is want ... requires
funding.
So far though, no energy (insofar as I can ascertain) has ever been created
from field potential anisotropy, or complicated systems to create anisotropy
in zero-sum field manipulations.
To put it differently, ALL energy that we have ever harvested has been from
the potential energy contained in the system. Chemical, nuclear, wind,
hydro, solar ... all are potential energy systems from which we extract
energy in other forms, heat ... electrical ... mechanical ... chemical.
I don't see the Casimir force as anything other a modestly different kind of
electromagnetic field force; Maxwell's equations show the energy 'extracted'
from electromagnetic field is either precisely zero in static fields, or
require the expenditure of precisely minimally the extracted energy to
modulate the fields themselves to transform the energy between electrical,
magnetic and mechanical. Likewise, the Laws of Thermodynamics - so far
perfectly conserved in all careful measurements and analyses - conspire an
equal conservation of energy in various forms through
thermodynamic-mechanical transformations. Quantum electrodynamics absolutely
limits transformations of quantum-states to electrical, heat, force and
inertial transformations.
Thus stated, I cannot imagine that there is a method of utilizing a static
force such as the Casimir field force, into a anisotropic modulator of atoms
or molecules, or anything else ... that yields a net energy "from the zero
point field". If we've learned nothing else in physics and chemistry, it is
that the energy transformational systems absolutely conserve the energy
contained in the system, with the energy leaving the system.
It is for that reason, not just 'cynicism' that causes my skepticism. That
the researchers are funded, or not ... only serves to separate the crackpots
from the bonafide researchers. It in no way increases the likelihood that
the scientists are going to unseat the fundamental laws of thermodynamics,
electrodynamics and quantum field theory.
GoatGuy
Now for my question. The Casimir effect is typically demonstrated using parallel metal plates. How can this device work if it's built up with nonmetallic polymer sheets?
Also, the MEMS and thin film polymer devices that they describe seem straight forward to build.
>Quantum electrodynamics absolutely limits transformations of quantum-states to electrical, heat, force and inertial transformations.
Run more experiments and let us see. Why is the science of confirming quantum theory valid only if we are flying atomic clocks around on airplanes for no other purpose than to see billionth of a second time dilation? Why not run the quantum experiments and see if extra heat is generated. Has the science become inpure because they are trying to make something useful out of it ? Or because some tiny effect is trying to be scaled up a billion times ?
The quantum vacuum is the frontier in physics research. I think these ideas about it are unlikely to lead to a new energy source. However, they could very well lead to breakthroughs in propulsion (even though powered by "conventional" energy sources). Nonetheless,
the experiment is worth doing because of its relatively cheapness (few 10's of K) and upside potential.
10 micron channels? Should be simple enough to use garden-variety photolith to achieve it. Maybe ... just to "simplify" things, silicon could be used as the substrate, since there is so much photolith out there (etchers, exposures, specialzed chemicals) that would NOT have to be invented for the trials. I would think that "time to market" is the premium.
I just want to hear that HEAT has been produced. Heat well in excess of the hydrodynamic losses of the rough walls, viscous flow, energy invested ("head pressure" times "volume").
Then, the rest of the patent doesn't impress me one bit. Once there is heat, the concept of recycling the gasses and heat through heat exchangers, will be thrown out ... as the same setup has been patented dozens of times already for other purposes. The key here is HEAT GENERATION, not the contraptions for recycling and capturing part of it.
GoatGuy
Yes, I will be watching for any news or announcements of real results.
For many years, this group has been claiming to have around 100 sundry exotic energy technologies for sale (multi millions of dollars), including versions of gravity motors, engines that run on water, radiant energy devices (solid state or mechanical), inertial propulsion devices, and pollution remediation. None of those has arrived in the marketplace yet, that we know of. Beginning around Dec. 2007, a video emerged that shows Timothy demonstrating what is described as a “self-running 900 Watt zero point electrical generator.” More information can be found on my web site.
Does anyone have information on this zero point initiative?
I just posted the article below on Science blog
<http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-casimi...
black-holes-speed-it-18612.html>
Fran
Casimir field slows SpaceTime - Black holes speed it up
February 13, 2009
The temporal anomalies surrounding objects caught in an event horizon
have been considered for years but IMHO recent claims of exotic orbital
states occuring in the confinement area between conductive surfaces
(casimir exclusion fields)also creates these anomalies. I don't believe
electon orbitals can go sub zero state in normal space but do find
themselves free to
submerge into the temporal axis when inside an exclusion field produced
by closely spaced conductive plates.
Gas atoms diffused into these Casimir exclusion fields are said to
achieve subzero orbital states. I am proposing that just like the
acceleration that causes time to apparently slow down approaching the
event horizon that time instead races forward inside an exclusion field.
Again it is our perspective based on the normal flow of spacetime
composed of vacuum flucuations that we use as a measuring stick. The
Casimir effect is said to exclude longer wavelength flucuations but IMHO
it simply slows the waves -since our "measuring stick" in normal space
is not effected by this restricted propagation these waves only "appear"
shorter / faster to us from our perspective in normal space... QED
claims the waves inside Casimir cavities "upconvert" but I am saying the
waves do nothing, it is the speed of the stream that is changed! From
our perspective the waves appear faster even though the stream is
actually being slowed in the same way that a spaceship approaching the
event horizon appears to slow down even though space time is being
accelerated. It seems counterintuitive but remember the clock rate or
measuring stick we employ is an intergal part of the stream so our
perception of time is completely relative. If our universe were to cross
a portion of the time dimension where this stream moved more slowly we
would be unable to detect it because of this relative measure.
I am proposing that In a Casimir cavity any gas atom will have its'
orbital rotate or shrink without change to its' energy potential. It
will not radiate energy in translation. So a hydrogen atom becomes a
hydrino atom and I guess a methane would become a methino. the chaotic
vacuum flux of Space-Time slows down entering a Casimir exclusion field
but like a ship going from fresh to salt water the ship level changes
without ever subtracting ballast (dropping a shell). The magic here is
that there is no reactionary forces to resist these atoms from diffusing
through the fields. It is translated 90 degrees to the time stream such
that if we bond two of these atoms into a molecule while submerged they
are no longer free to resurface forcing vacuum flucuations to form
boundary conditions with the orbitals AND sidestepping physical
resistance to pushing more of these molecules through the field. The
point I wanted to clear up is that Dr Mills', Dr Haisch and Dr Modell
all believe the radius of a hydrino actually gets smaller and radiates
energy as the atom enters the cavity and gets restored as it exits, I am
only an old RCA R&D tech but I am convinced their interpertation is
wrong (their math and method however is real close). IMHO the atoms do
not radiate energy going from Hydrogen to Hydrino - the stream of
virtual particles is restricted through our present time frame in these
exclusion fields softening the boundary and allowing the orbital to
twist or submerge away from the normal space outside the field - The
boundary condition changes not the -13.5 eV of the orbital - If they
want to call this getting smaller ok but I believe submerging on the
temporal axis is more accurate AND a molecule must form while submerged
for them to capture any energy. Dr Mills' published data indicates that
these changes in orbital values are incremental in nature following the
same algorhytm as normal shells. He claims to have achieved 30 stable
shells below zero state. I believe the energy stored in these additional
shells is from the temporal axis but to capture this energy two atoms
must form a covalent bond while submerged as deeply as possible in the
exclusion field. tThe new molecule will only radiate the normal zero
state bonding energy BUT more importantly it LOCKS the novel orbital
orientations one against the other so that as the new molecule exits the
field the longer vacuum fluxuations are forced to form strong boundary
conditions with the orbitals that are essentially interleaving
themselves in the time stream. The molecule is no longer free to
translate back up to the surface because the covalent bond refuses to
let them budge unless the boundary conditions exceed the bonding force
which would produce the signature Black Light plasma. If Mills' was able
to extract some of these hydrinos in a stable state he would have a
ready made space drive. Drive the hydrinos through coiled tubing and let
the boundary conditions scratch and tear at space time.
Fran http://www.byzipp.com/energy/
What is your technical background ? Do you have a bio anywhere ?
thanks
I Grew up on a tiny farm / produce stand in Bristol PA, I went Saint Marks grammar school then with 2 weeks
off every other 2 weeks for tech school to be an electrician..the
recruiter put me into navy avionics looking for submarienes on the USS
forrestal got out and got an assocates from Pennco in electronics then
RCA 1 yr quit -2 years Rutgers engineering physics then got my job back
at RCA which becake GE then Martin Marrieta now finally Lockheed. Mostly
all protyping power electronics -zero cross over switchers then assigned
AEGIS testing site in 1997 to power conversion and Antsubmarine systems.
Fran
I am 51 born 8/7/57
Grew up in Bristol towship PA on small farm / produce market, went to
Saint Marks then Bishop Egan and Bucks County Tech school 1971-75. 3
active 3 reserve in Navy 76-82, 79-80 completed Pennco tech ASS in
electronics, 1980 -81 RCA, 81-82 Rutgers Camden for Engineering
Physics,1983 rejoined RCA.
Married in 1985, 2 kids Boy then girl, divorced in 99 custody of
children son just graduate and working in Boston as programmer the
daughter attending community college.
Hope that's enough -sorry no other pixs except from the farm ,
fran
My home address is froarty572@comcast.net if you need any
additional.
Fran
In addition to my reply below regarding original blog posted
on free energy I have a new blog here
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-casimi...
-holes-speed-it-18612.html with an interesting comment at the bottom = Does
<http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-casimi...
k-holes-speed-it-18612.html#comment-34646> Casimir geometry indicate a good
catalyst?
Fran
Thanks for all this... most interesting. I'll post something on my blog
linking to this in the next day or so.
-- Blake
<http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/comment/reply/19440> with a new animation
of hydrogen VS <http://www.byzipp.com/anitrontime.htm> hydrino from the
temporal perspective. I found a 2005 math paper from Jan Naudts suggesting
the hydrino may be allowed due to a "relativistic" effect which after a
moments thought exactly agreed with my argument. The whole field has been
treated like pseudoscience due to simple semantics - the radius diameter
does drop below what would be zero state for normal space but the nucleus is
displaced further on the temporal axis in the case of the hydrino and the
electron never exceeds the minimal approach therefore both sides are right!
Fran
Back in the day, conventional wisdom held that there were "humors" (the four winds... etc.) and that disease, like a tumor, was an imbalance in these winds. If you had a tumor, they'd hack it out for various reasons - the "wind" had accumulated there and needed to be released, or it was a demon that had infested the area and needed to be excised. Either way, the tumor got cut out, and the patient recovered.
Didn't really matter that they were bass ackwards wrong about the whole premise, but the action was taken correctly, and voila, they got positive results. The only problem comes when you start making further assumptions on previous incorrect assumptions simply because they produced accurate results - inaccuracies stack up, and you can do some seriously crazy stuff because the "theory" is correct.
I'm very interested to see what the pumping requirements would be for an array such as this. If you need a 2kW motor spinning a two stage compressor to get gas to move through it, then the net energy gain would be pathetically small, if there is any gain at all. Sounds like a heat pump, to me, on a sub-microscopic level, so perhaps this will run into the same problem as trying to operate a stirling engine off of a high efficiency heat pump: the maximum hot side temperature is too low, even though you have enough BTU's, to overcome the thermodynamic constraints of running the stirling engine in the first place.
As has been said before, time will tell.